@MingMongo I agree. There is nothing saying that we can't use what is around (systems and such) to create a "sub-society" within the current one. In fact, it may be the only way outside of full on revolt. I am not religious even slightly, but a good idea is a good idea. My idea is more like establishing a business: buy land, develop it (work places, residences, some self sufficiency, roads, etc). Internally, it would be more like a large co-op with sub co-ops providing various functions. Externally, just another business selling some products (usually any overproduction). There can be some other aspects, such as those of a non-profit (maybe?)...providing work and homes for the homeless and other social castoffs.