> make server literally with the goal of making it easy and cheap to host, because i think it empowers people to host their own infrastructure
> 1 year later
> "hey Pleroma could be pretty good for people without many resources, even if the devs are all horrible people"
@kaniini I suspect a lot of the hate for Pleroma comes from two sources:
- Historic "political division" between GNU Social and Mastodon as in terms of leftie vs alt-right (which wasn't even GNU Social's developers' doing or desire really), some folks from that space moving to Pleroma and thus to a lot of folks Pleroma being mentally branded that way
- @lain is the fediverse's class clown and recent events have lead many people to associate that kind of irreverent humor with undesirable stuff
@aidalgol @kaniini @lain Urgh, no I don't know of a good writeup, but here's the tl;wh (too long; wasn't here):
- StatusNet written and the base of most of GNU Social (and generally written and had a community that was very lefty, but occasionally left-libertarian) but StatusNet closes shop. GNU Social is the continuation.
- "chan culture", originally jokingly problematic (arguably joking doesn't make it less racist or sexist), becomes "ha ha only completely serious"
(1/2)
- many chan'ish alt-right folks kicked off of twitter, start to move to GNU Social instances. (Plenty of GNU Social instances not happy with this notably!)
- Mastodon comes along, supports OStatus (GNU Social's protocol)
- leftie, largely LGBT folks *also* leave Twitter, for the opposite reason! Many flock to Mastodon.
- Unsurprisingly, plenty of folks start to interpret this as GNU Social vs Mastodon as alt-right vs left, which is unfortunate
(2/...3?)
- Mastodon starts moving from OStatus to ActivityPub. Some of the squabbling spills over into that. Awkward
- Pleroma begins using ActivityPub very actively, and that's when https://octodon.social/@cwebber/100239388817712633 begins to apply IMO
(3/3)
Anyway, that's my own personal interpretation and read of that history...
@cwebber @aidalgol @kaniini trev's article provides some more context but yeah i agree with this account of things
https://medium.com/@Trevatos/gnu-social-pleroma-and-the-mastodon-culture-conflict-3b10872937c2
with old mastos, i think probably 75% of the hate comes from negative associations from way back when pleroma was just a GS frontend and masto was limited to just m.s and our options were basically federate with people who hated us or don't federate at all. the fediverse has changed a lot since then…
@deadsuperhero @kibi just wait till Spritely becomes un-vaporware and I either do activitypub completely wrong in the greatest source of irony ever OR I do everything completely right but start doing things that other "real world" implementations don't support!
@deadsuperhero @kibi I know, I know. I've gone through plenty of mental anguish over how to spend the time I have for this, and it's easy for me to self-doubt that, and I don't blame anyone giving me shit for it
but I have my reasons
@cwebber @deadsuperhero ur reasons are good and they'll be even better once they're not vaporware and made into a working implementation 😉😜
@cwebber @kibi I get it, but wasn't MediaGoblin your initial push to make ActivityPub a thing?
What would it even take to get it federating with other fediverse multimedia platforms at this point? I'd love to be able to federate with the LibrePlanet MG instance so that I can watch the talks and comment on them from PeerTube.
Point of order: MediaGoblin is older than ActivityPub, older than pump.io even.
I still remember when the guy on identi.ca with the weird cute alien monster avatar said he was planning to write a better gallery application and I was thinking "yeah right, aren't we all".
Well, he sure showed me. <3
@notclacke @deadsuperhero ha... I wasn't anticipating anyone would take me seriously either. What a journey it's been!
@deadsuperhero @kibi Also, *is* it desperately needed? One of the reasons I shifted to Spritely is because other folks (Funkwhale, PixelFed, PeerTube) were covering MediaGoblin's domain... and well too! (Though none of them are doing "all the media types" like MediaGoblin was, but I can't for the life of me figure out why they wouldn't... @Chocobozzz, when are you gonna wise up and add multiple media types support to PeerTube? ;))
@cwebber There's a valid case to be had regarding only supporting a limited set of activities. It doesn't make sense for PeerTube to serve up 3D models or ASCII art, for example.
Anyway, I just think it'd be nice to federate with the MediaGoblin instances that already exist.
@deadsuperhero I agree it would be nice. I just don't think that given my limited cycles it's the right thing for me to focus my energy on to help the fediverse right now. Maybe that sounds shitty, but I'm unfortunately a finite resource. ;P I'm happy to help others get GMG go support AP btw!
But I'd like to come back to it and make it happen in MediaGoblin's existing codebase, or if Spritely is MediaGoblin 2.0, move existing instances over to Spritely. But we'll see.
@deadsuperhero @cwebber
> It doesn't make sense for PeerTube to serve up 3D models or ASCII art, for example.
well now I want this
@sonya @deadsuperhero @cwebber yeah, that sounds like a great optional module for PeerTube to support
@cwebber @deadsuperhero @kibi Ahah good question ^^ I don't think we'll support other media types like music for example, because it adds a lot of extra work whereas other software do the job very well with with an interface adapted to the media (like Funkwhale for example). But since youtube launched youtube music, maybe we should develop peertube music too? :p
@Chocobozzz I agree, Instagram launched IGTV but I don't think PixelFed is appropriate for long form video. That is what peertube is for!
@Chocobozzz @cwebber @deadsuperhero @kibi does peertube support other video format than mp4 ?
@r00tobo @cwebber @deadsuperhero @kibi yes webm and ogv
@Chocobozzz @cwebber @deadsuperhero @kibi my take, what PeerTube needs more is livestreams (and complimentary livestream recording).
For music and podcasts, in my view, there should be a separate engine.
But that's just my two cents.
*mumble* one of these years *mumble*
@drequivalent @Chocobozzz @cwebber @kibi 100% agree, livestreaming on PeerTube sounds awesome.
@deadsuperhero @kibi I'm not working on MediaGoblin's current-mediagoblin codebase right now so I can't say ;)
My whole spare time focus is spent on MediaGoblin TNG (aka Spritely)