The only real life friends I have are coworkers, and they dont count
@MingMongo Correction...the I imagine most of the people I work with would not be too interested in "converting", except maybe one dude I got into conversation with. He understands how fucked we are. I probably won't tell family, especially not my one half sister: she is fairly religious, ex-military, conservative-ish and we already butt heads on those few times we do converse 😞
@The_Mechanarchist Most people I know understand that we are screwed, but still see anything that might fix things, as too radical or utopian. I have family in Trump country, and I just don't bother. They are too far gone.
@MingMongo Well...fuck. Sorry to hear that. I do understand why people voted for him, somewhat, but they should have enough awareness to realize that was a fucking mistake. Hillary (who I voted for, and this was my first time voting at the age of 39) I didn't want either. I would have voted Bernie or Jill, probably, and things MIGHT have gotten a little better.::shrug:: Who knows, really?
I do wish people hadn't bought into the all the government capitalist propaganda so much, just swallowed it without any foresight (just like corps and their mostly looking at the current and maybe next quarter).
@The_Mechanarchist I figure any effect you can have through voting is minor at best. The people at the top have things arranged the way they want it, and those at the bottom seem to instinctively want fascism. I don't have a fully formed idea of what to do, but I think it involves forming networks and building a good society within the rotting one. Oddly, as I am not religious, I think the early Christians in Rome were a good example.
@MingMongo I agree. There is nothing saying that we can't use what is around (systems and such) to create a "sub-society" within the current one. In fact, it may be the only way outside of full on revolt. I am not religious even slightly, but a good idea is a good idea. My idea is more like establishing a business: buy land, develop it (work places, residences, some self sufficiency, roads, etc). Internally, it would be more like a large co-op with sub co-ops providing various functions. Externally, just another business selling some products (usually any overproduction). There can be some other aspects, such as those of a non-profit (maybe?)...providing work and homes for the homeless and other social castoffs.
@The_Mechanarchist When I imagine a large scale idea, this is pretty close. Imagine a city, where the city owns all the land, like a co-op. All property in the city is rented, otherwise, the city operates much like any other. At modest rent rates, the city would take in far more than they ever could from taxation, and use that to provide services to it's people beyond anything seen before. If the people want cool things that don't make much money, they could arrange cheap rents.
Some major considerations is space and resource usage. Residences would likely be apartment-like, some gardens, perhaps chicken farming (for eggs and "pets", not as food), edible insect farming, composting, recycling/upcycling things imported from outside the city (this would be one of the primary industries of the city)...hemp farming might be a thing, whatever it takes to be as self sufficient as reasonably possible.
@The_Mechanarchist This kind of thing is a bit pipe dreamy for me - the kind of thing I would try if massive resources fell in my lap. I think the real plan is to find a way to get people to get together in small groups in real physical space, and talk on a regular basis. That is what I meant by the example of early Christians in the Roman empire. A kind of organic, mycillium-like network that spreads through the society. It doesn't even need a solid ideology, just a commitment to social contact
Yeah, likewise. I think it could work best where people have been fucked over by corps and gov, such as Detroit.
@MingMongo I would say that the only fascism people want is their OWN fascism, not someone else's fascism.
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